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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 14:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You don't know what you're talking about, and the practically psychotic hyperbole of your post just serves to illustrate that. So it doesn't bother me a bit that you disagree.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thomas, no hyperbole, have you personally attended a QAL show this year?

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 15:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Entirely beside the point. The point being that it is 100% impossible for music, especially vocals, to sound as good live as when recorded in a good studio. That is not my opinion, it is a fact based on the physics of sound and the technology used to record and reproduce it.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 15:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Could you answer the question! Adam is better live than recorded. — just a fact!!!!!

Have you been to a show?

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 15:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That is not a fact, it is an opinion. And, I would add, not one supported by anything resembling an argument. And no, I have not been to a show. That doesn't change a damn thing, but I wouldn't expect you to understand. Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 16:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We’re talking about Adam Lambert, not Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber or even Bruno Mars!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 18:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, we're talking about physics and technology. The laws of acoustics don't simply stop applying when Adam Lambert walks onto the stage, and they don't have a secret magical microphone that has all of the sensitivity of a large membrane condenser microphone without any of the drawbacks for live use. AL is just like any other singer when it comes to sound reproduction live versus in the studio. Deal with it.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 19:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You still didn’t answer the question. Did you attend a QAL concert this year?

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 19:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Really? So now you can't read? Scroll up a little, four posts above this one. You only have to read three sentences that aren't about Adam Lambert, even you should be capable of that.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 19:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess I missed that one. it does prove MY point if you have never heard Adam singing LIVE! Videos, live streams and periscopes don’t count!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 20:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If a person hasn't gone to a Q+AL concert, sweetcaroline thinks the POV/s of a person doesn't matter, and can't give POV/s. That's why she is so stubbornly and stupidly asking if you went to a show this year. She's so obvious.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 20:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think it is only due to the concert experience (which certainly is wonderful!). His voice sounds better to me live. It is richer and he plays with the music a lot more. The recordings often sound very sterile to me. I appreciate all the info and the time you took to write all, but I still like listening to his voice live more. I have read it too many times to have it just be me that feels this way! I don't know what to tell you. I am a fan, but I can also discern a good voice, a poor voice and a mediocre voice. Adam has an amazing voice but that somehow doesn't mean that I am exaggerating because I am a fan. Once again, many, many people on line post about about how amazing he is live and they didn't know he had such a great voice. That in itself is unusual. I haven't seen many posts after a concert (tweets, facebook, instagram) about the artist's amazing voice, but you see this about Adam all the time. It isn't just me who reacts this way. His voice must defy the laws of physics!! That is the only explanation that I can come up!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 20:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok, Icy, I thought you were turning over a new leaf, but I guess that would be too much to ask! In one post you say she is stubborn, stupid and obvious. Why do you do that? You are not taking any real part in the discussion. You never do. You may say one sentence and that is it. I have never heard a real discussion from you. Ignore Caroline, please, and think about the discussion and what you want to bring to it. Trust me, you can't critique a concert like Queen when there is so much spectacle, with the strobe lights and the fog, the interplay between the audience and the performers and the interplay between them. The sound of the music is nothing like the recorded youtube. It just isn't. Relying on videos that are taped over audience chatter and lousy singing isn't an accurate representation of the music. You also can't feel the audience reaction and according to you they hated the couch, the bike. No, they love it based on tons of comments I have read. You have to be there to feel it! I don't know what else to tell you. My POV is based on at least 10 concerts, so it should have some validity. Then I have probably read thousands of comments from fans and blogs, etc. My POV is probably much more based on fact, even though opinion does enter into it!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 20:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SweetCaroline wrote:

I guess I missed that one. it does prove MY point if you have never heard Adam singing LIVE! Videos, live streams and periscopes don’t count!


And here it is. Your "point" proves nothing. It's your same old bullshit.
Videos, streams, Periscopes don't count. Well then, you sure posted enough links and posts about that. Don't bother posting those for the next leg of the tour because if people don't go or watch the concerts, you still feel their POVs dont count. That's what you have outright said many times before, and you are saying it here.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 21:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Ok, Icy, I thought you were turning over a new leaf, but I guess that would be too much to ask! In one post you say she is stubborn, stupid and obvious. Why do you do that? You are not taking any real part in the discussion. You never do. You may say one sentence and that is it. I have never heard a real discussion from you. Ignore Caroline, please, and think about the discussion and what you want to bring to it. Trust me, you can't critique a concert like Queen when there is so much spectacle, with the strobe lights and the fog, the interplay between the audience and the performers and the interplay between them. The sound of the music is nothing like the recorded youtube. It just isn't. Relying on videos that are taped over audience chatter and lousy singing isn't an accurate representation of the music. You also can't feel the audience reaction and according to you they hated the couch, the bike. No, they love it based on tons of comments I have read. You have to be there to feel it! I don't know what else to tell you. My POV is based on at least 10 concerts, so it should have some validity. Then I have probably read thousands of comments from fans and blogs, etc. My POV is probably much more based on fact, even though opinion does enter into it!


Defending sweetcaroline from big bad me again, are you?
Don't even try to insult me after you came here with an ax to grind about me from your first post in. And you still have that ax to grind because you are miffed I said what I did in my reply to her? I didn't call her stupid and stubborn, it was the way she was "asking". It is obvious what she's doing though. I don't care how many blogs you have read that agree with you, I can give my views too, even though you don't agree with me. Even on vids from the last tour it was obvious AL messed up three nights in a row...that really can't be denied. I feel in the last tour, some things were a bit forced and somewhat lacking. It actually was for me the most part the most disappointing Q+AL tour yet. Mainly because for me, not much effort was put into it from the get go. A day or two of rehearsals. Messing up three nights in a row...not a good way to start, I think. The scripted banter? Yea, previous tours were much better IMO. At least at one time the set list changed with other songs added.
Those are my own views, and I'm allowed to give them.
Does sweetcaroline need you or want you to fight in her corner by the way? Am saying anything that bad she can't respond to me herself if she chooses? It's clear what she thinks about POVs of people who haven't attended a Q+AL show in person. She is so quick to shoot those views down, or at least she tries.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 21:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm new here and I found the discussion about Adam's voice very interesting.
I think, you have to remember, that there are no studio-recordings of QAL.
So all the people, who say, that he does sound better live than in recordings, compare that to what they have heard for instance on Youtube (or sometimes on TV). There the recording can't sound as good as live, because it's a second device involved in the recording. And that is for sure not specialised in recording Adam's (or any singer's) voice.

I've been to a few Adam-Solo-concerts as well. And I can tell you, that he sounds great. But not "better" in QUALITY than on the record. That really isn't possible, as long as any microphone (+ speakers) is involved.

What Adam IS known for is, that he really can reproduce his sound from his records. If he wants to, you can't tell the difference between a record and his live-singing. And that is a special ability (in my opinion, because I don't know a second pop/rock singer, who can do that. Some opera singers CAN do that though.).
Sometimes I had the impression, when he promoted Ghost-Town and sang it on TV, he simply changed the melody up at one point to make it clear, that he sings live. Because he was accused by media to do that, when he was not.




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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 22:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, Icy, it is not defending Sweet Caroling necessarily. I am just sick and tired of all the name calling you do. You do it on QOL also. Anybody you don't agree with, but in particular with Caroline. Can't we just discuss without being ugly? I am not the only one saying that. I believe there was a Nicki maybe on QOL yesterday who mentioned the two of you by name and asked also if this nonsense could stop. I truly don't see Caroline calling you names. She tries to ignore you and has offered an olive branch before. No one cares about the ban or your issues with her. That is not what the forum is for. It is to talk about the band. Can you not get that thru your head? This is not a personal Icy site!!! Your arguments take over a good part of every thread and they are pure garbage, just name calling and nastiness.

Who cares if there were 3 nights that a couple of lines were wrong? Do you think that Freddie, as messed up as he was at times, went on stage and sang perfectly? I doubt it! Lucky there were no phones to catch it!! I have read where Brian says no one even knew until the last minute occasionally, if he would even perform. A few botched lyrics is small stuff. How you would know if effort was "put in", I really don't know. Do you have a direct line to Brian and Roger? Scripted shows are everywhere in concerts. They do them the same pretty much every night as no one wants big gaffes caught on camera. The artists have a certain amt. of time and they know exactly how long each song is and how much banter can fit in. The dancers are all synched up with them and there is no deviation from the script! If you don't know that, you don't know much. I doubt that any top group or artist goes out on a big tour totally clueless and just lets it rip! As far as set list, most concert goers love the hits. That is what they go to hear!! They don't know all the deep cuts and wouldn't appreciate what they don't know. The two dropped songs were not well received, according to Brian, so they are allowed to change the set. I don't see anyone complaining except the die hards on the Queen sites. It also has to do with Adam's singing workload. He sings a lot of really tough songs and adding another may be too much. I think that is why The Show Must Go On is no longer after WWTLF. The band has numerous things to consider when they put together a set list. This year"s set list works, 99% of the fans are ever so pleased. You are entitled to your opinion, but we have heard way too many times about the botched lyrics. That doesn't make it a less successful tour. I saw both of them and this tour was leaps and bounds better than the first. How can you not be be better if you have played together for 3 more years? You are the only person who has said this show was not as good as the first one! Goes to show you sure didn't see it!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 22:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

AMEN !!!!!

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 22:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

No, Icy, it is not defending Sweet Caroling necessarily. I am just sick and tired of all the name calling you do. You do it on QOL also. Anybody you don't agree with, but in particular with Caroline. Can't we just discuss without being ugly? I am not the only one saying that. I believe there was a Nicki maybe on QOL yesterday who mentioned the two of you by name and asked also if this nonsense could stop. I truly don't see Caroline calling you names. She tries to ignore you and has offered an olive branch before. No one cares about the ban or your issues with her. That is not what the forum is for. It is to talk about the band. Can you not get that thru your head? This is not a personal Icy site!!! Your arguments take over a good part of every thread and they are pure garbage, just name calling and nastiness.

Who cares if there were 3 nights that a couple of lines were wrong? Do you think that Freddie, as messed up as he was at times, went on stage and sang perfectly? I doubt it! Lucky there were no phones to catch it!! I have read where Brian says no one even knew until the last minute occasionally, if he would even perform. A few botched lyrics is small stuff. How you would know if effort was "put in", I really don't know. Do you have a direct line to Brian and Roger? Scripted shows are everywhere in concerts. They do them the same pretty much every night as no one wants big gaffes caught on camera. The artists have a certain amt. of time and they know exactly how long each song is and how much banter can fit in. The dancers are all synched up with them and there is no deviation from the script! If you don't know that, you don't know much. I doubt that any top group or artist goes out on a big tour totally clueless and just lets it rip! As far as set list, most concert goers love the hits. That is what they go to hear!! They don't know all the deep cuts and wouldn't appreciate what they don't know. The two dropped songs were not well received, according to Brian, so they are allowed to change the set. I don't see anyone complaining except the die hards on the Queen sites. It also has to do with Adam's singing workload. He sings a lot of really tough songs and adding another may be too much. I think that is why The Show Must Go On is no longer after WWTLF. The band has numerous things to consider when they put together a set list. This year"s set list works, 99% of the fans are ever so pleased. You are entitled to your opinion, but we have heard way too many times about the botched lyrics. That doesn't make it a less successful tour. I saw both of them and this tour was leaps and bounds better than the first. How can you not be be better if you have played together for 3 more years? You are the only person who has said this show was not as good as the first one! Goes to show you sure didn't see it!

No dear. You are defending her and bitching me out. You did it from your first post in. You say you're sick of it, but you sure add to and involve yourself in it, how very ironic and eye opening it is.Pick, pick, pick you do here and on QOL, you are just as bad if not more. It's amazing the ones who know me the least like you and sweetcaroline have so much to say about me, isn't it. You both are so obvious with each and every post you make. She has never extended any olive branch to me. What does she do, say she will ignore me and usually that lasts less than a day. She will never admit to doing any wrong, or ever being sorry, especially towards me. She hasn't changed, or learned a thing from the looks of things. One of the first things she did was to bring up Thunder on QOL. She doesn't even care about the music, she does it to try to score points. If you and her can't handle what I post, go to an AL board where you don't have to concern yourselves about me and my opinions.
Keep that other poster out of this please.
I care about AL three nights in a row getting Bohemian Rhapsody wrong. It's my all time favorite song by anyone. Does it piss you off at me because I say he messed up? Yea, I guess he isn't so perfect and magnificent after all. Tough shit if my saying that hurts little feelings here. It's a fact he messed up. I think it made him look very unprepared to say the least. Not a good start. Those are my feelings about that.
I didn't see any show, I've explained why before. Goes to show you as well try to shoot down POVs of people who didn't attend. I have my own mind, and I can state them, so for many reasons I feel the other tours were better for many reasons. This past tour relied a bit too much on gimmicks, scripted and tacky banter. I think it's a shame two songs weren't played...and another song just played twice. Those are my POVs. Weeks from now the tour will start again, there should be enough time during the break to rehearse more, and maybe add more Queen songs? Get rid of the bike, GDML, the cheesy banter, the AL solo song and actually do something that's 'dangerous'. Q+AL is hardly what I'd call dangerous, it's way to scripted and predictble, especially in the last two legs of last year's tour. My views and maybe only mine, but I'm allowed, I can, and I will share them.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 23:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks to Thomas for the technical explanation. I agree you can't replicate a recording exactly in a live setting but Adam is pretty knowledgeable about it and works closely with the sound guy to get the mix as good as possible within the limits of the venue etc. As Sealion said we don't have any QAL recordings to compare to either, although I actually wouldn't want to listen to a live band and have it sound exactly like a recording, I think it would be pretty boring if it sounded exactly the same every time.

Having only seen one QAL show I can't say how consistent the shows are and if I'd seen loads I imagine I might find it a bit too scripted maybe, but I can say it's very different from seeing it on YouTube and not just from a sound point of view. It can look a bit over the top when focused just on Adam doing his thing with the Robot Head, bike etc but at the show as part of the whole thing it just blends in and works. The whole show was really well done and at least at the one I went to there seemed no lack of interest or commitment from any of them, they were spot on. As for the lyric fails, it happens, Freddie had a fair few of those and Adam has lyric fails with his solo stuff so I don't think it's a lack of interest, more a lapse in concentration. I can't compare to previous years tours as I hadn't seen them before but the reviews this time have been universally great and comments from people at the shows on facebook/twitter have been nearly all positive, so from a success point of view this tour seems to have been stellar.

Sealion Yeah Adam often changes up the melody or the style he sings things. I noticed it especially when he was promoting Trespassing, he often changed the way he sang the two or three songs he did from venue to venue. Don't know if he does it to show he's singing live or because he just likes to improvise. I've never really noticed him being accused of not singing live, he's usually praised by the industry and media as having an incredible voice but maybe some have said things. I remember his brother saying he used to drive him nuts when they were kids, constantly singing over the radio and changing up the melody and lyrics so I suspect it's just something he likes to do. It is uncanny how close he can sound to the recordings on occasion but if you listen closely you can tell the high notes are in different places and other bits are changed.