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Posted: 20 Mar 19, 23:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not sure but I'm certain the interview is sampled in the BBC 4 documentary Freddie"s Millions (warning I personally loathe the presenters attitude! He seems very dismissive and crass to me!)

The document is available in 2 parts on YouTube

P.S. I'm hugging my Freddie Wembley '86 Dolly! Love him!??

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Posted: 20 Mar 19, 23:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry! My WiFi connection is fannying about and resulted in multiple postings! :-(

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Posted: 20 Mar 19, 23:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

P.S.Sorry! my WiFi is fannying about and resulted in multiple postings! .:-(

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Posted: 20 Mar 19, 23:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And again !!!

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Posted: 20 Mar 19, 23:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And again!

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 01:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hmmmm ...

Bohemian Rhapsody Movie: Unconscious homophobic bias ... Posthumous revenge

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www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/freddie-mercury-bohemian-rhapsody-is-no-tribute-it-s-full-of-unconscious-homophobia-1.3706792

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Bohemian Rhapsody, with its unconscious homophobic bias, in no way pays tribute to its principal figure. Instead two former Queen members have taken a neo-colonial knife to the memory of a child of immigrants who became the quintessential British rocker. During his lifetime Freddie Mercury was made to feel humiliation because of his homosexuality. In his final months he faced an aggressive reaction to his illness lead by the tabloid media.

Today his life is projected through a heteronormative lens that distorts a life of artistic achievement into a barely-concealed, shameful act of posthumous revenge.

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The man in this fiction is crippled by remorse for acknowledging his homosexuality and discarding his heterosexual facade with the woman he always described as being the love of his life, Marie Austin. Queen’s musical journey and the worldwide conquest are now slaves to a heteronormative vision that has been made fit, retroactively, to the lifestyles and sensibilities of the other three members of Queen.

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In the movie Freddie Mercury almost appears as someone asking for forgiveness for being what he is. Like the real singer, screen Freddie also desires men but, in doing so, he “sins”. He does not understand, as a sequence in the film shows, that another member of the band (Taylor) does not have enough time for carousing because he has a family, a woman and children for whom he feels responsible. Screen Freddie lived out a sexuality that his time still considered mostly as deviant. This homosexuality, in the movie, leads him to make wrong choices, to damn his soul and come under evil influences.

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Mercury’s excesses - drugs, alcohol, illness and physical and psychological assaults attributed to him - are all linked to his homosexual “distraction” which caused the other band members great suffering.

So too his heartless decision to abandon the pure, patient, almost virginal Mary Austin, projected through a patriarchal lens that objectifies the woman. This reaches a laughable low when Mercury is shown living alone in his London mansion, sending lamp signals to the woman of his life to keep her under his tyrannical control.

Airbrushed out entirely are the people who became his second family in this period: Dave Clark, David Evans, Joe Fannelli, Peter Freestone, David Minns, Peter Straker and Barbara Valentine from Munich (a former film icon who played in several productions by Rainer Werner Fassbinder). The only person who remains is Jim Hutton, one of his last lovers, presented often as a staff member. But it was Hutton, who died in 2010, who decided to avoid conflict with Mercury’s conservative Persian Indian parents by pretending to be what he effectively became later: the singer’s gardener.


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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 02:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well as far as a biopic goes I heard they are strongly thinking of a sequel it wont be any better than the first.Hope they portray Jim and others in a better light however I have a feeling the love of his life no not Jim scary maryhill be portrayed as an angel yet again nursing him in his final days and we all know that didnt happen iv read Peter's book.But noone can do anything about it and in the end it's up to the producers and yes good ole Brian such a nice guy .As long as they can sleep at night more power to them.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 02:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I meant mary

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 02:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Most people that have to try to keep proving a point like Brian and roger did with this movie now a sequel either have a bitter heart or they want us to believe it to be one way when it was exact the opposite.I think its not bitterness it's that second option that's all I got to say about that.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 12:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Katydyd5,

I understand about not remembering the exact documentary. I read and watch so much, I sometimes have issues keeping it all sorted as well.

I did actually watch the Freddie's Lover doc, I just don't remember that part with Trip, but it could have very well been in that one.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 15:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FreddienotFreddy, I have so many Freddie files on my computer that it really is ridiculous. I could never go back and watch everything I've saved. Periodically I set a goal to go in to each file and take out that which no longer holds interest for me, but there is always something new to look at, so I don't get to the purging. Maybe someday...……...

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't really care that Barbara the liar wasn't in the film and he cut Straker off for a reason.

HOWEVER, the fact that Phoebe and Joe, two men who were so involved in Freddie's life and were incredibly loyal and kind to him were airbrushed out is so stupid.

The film is very homophobic not only because his illness and downfalls are seen as a result of him embracing his sexuality, but also his relationship with a woman takes precedence over Jim, who is relegated to a mere footnote at the end.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hooligan couldnt agree with you more now Brian and company are strongly considering a sequel through the last 6 years of life I hate that those are some very private times for him his close friends and family.I can bet one thing miss Mary will probably get credit as the one who cared for him which I dont believe is true for one I read Peter's book it was mainly Joe and phoebe poor Joe he knew he was getting sick too how hard that was for him noone gave him credit .Mary didnt like him I dont think but anyway at the end of life a person has to have bed baths be changed i dont see her doing anything beyond setting with him.But he told them they could do what they wanted with his legacy i dont think this is what he had in mind shame on them.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 21:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And yes the relationship he and Mary had seemed to over shadow the one he had with Jim in the movie.I think this was deliberately done for maybe her benefit the relationship I think after their break up on her part it looked like he kinda went on but she was stuck back in time they grew older but she wanted that relationship to remain well all I can say is there is no time machine and he wasnt Michael j fox he moved on.I think his personality was a bit complex but definitely not his sexuality what they did was foolish everyone new the truth then and they know it now.It didnt give him Aids having multiple sexual partners maybe increases your chances but you can actually have sex one time with one person and get the virus.So that doesnt support that theory try again.

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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 23:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Thor,

Glad to hear you had a splendid time celebrating St. Patrick’s Day. Seems like you are still a New York boy at heart!

Did you ever have the opportunity to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with Freddie? Sounds like the kind of party atmosphere he would have loved! (Sorry if this is a repeat question)

Is there a particular spot in New York that elicits a stronger Freddie memory more than any other? By the way...what was the very last place you saw Freddie before he moved?


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Posted: 21 Mar 19, 23:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thor,

You mentioned earlier that you were returning home on March 27...I don't want you to feel obligated to respond to my post during your trip back East. Enjoy your vacation!!!!

Lee,

Did you have as much fun celebrating St. Patrick's Day as Thor? :)

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Posted: 22 Mar 19, 00:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mexican fans not Spanish fans. It happened in Puebla Mexico, not Spain, which are Spanish. (my family from Spain)

Queen did nothing wrong there. Freddie put on Mexican sombrero as showing one-ship with the fans and they took offense because it was a sombrero....they thru bottles and shoes at Queen and a bottle hit John Deacon in the head.

So yes, when the concert ended he said, “adios mother f’ers, you bunch of tacos.”

Queen had the decency to finish the show and could have walked off, but didn’t.

They vowed never to return to Mexico and Queen kept their promise and I don’t blame them.

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Posted: 22 Mar 19, 01:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agree with you rainbow but I want to ask them if I could they are filthy rich what's Freddie's privacy worth to them the last 6 years were very private for him and I feel out of respect they should leave sleeping dogs lie.Will this just be another slap to Jim hutton and others that cared for him in those final years you cant but a dollar amount on loyalty just my opinion.

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Posted: 22 Mar 19, 01:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They will never spend that money in their life time they are old now what can they do once they are gone we all turn to dust we cant take money with us.If the shoe were on the other foot do yo think Freddie would sell a fake story about them I think not.Everyone wants money but they have rode his skirt tails as long as they could they could've told the truth and the film would've been just as sucessful.They are basically using his name only and building a character they think he should've been.Thats an terrible thing to do to someone if you feel a certain way about someones sexuality be man enough to say it to their face dont wait 27 years when your bank account gets low and write a phony script on how you wish they were because its disgusting and this person trusted you with everything after death including their legacy.