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Posted: 11 Dec 17, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Right now im thinking about the famous budapest gig in 1986 and i think there are few strange things about it. first thing is that we all know concert is cutted a lot but why? i heard (maybe im wrong) is mainly because of laserdisc which have 1hr and 30min. limit but why they didnt make second uncut version? also i heard that government have problems whith few parts (another 1 bites dust, i want to break free). the most strange thing is 16 cameras version. budapest gig was edited very quickly because of premiere in December 12 1986 at the city's National Congress Hall. queen said that all left material was destroyed so how and when 16 cam. was made? i know part of angles shots was borrowed to tv stations but that wasnt all 16 cam but only few cutted angles and i dont think one group in mafilm make official version and second only for "fun version". so how they made this 16 cameras? also in 2012 uncut cd was relleased, so they make copy of soundboard but not copy of all 16 cam angles? i dont believe that. what your oppinion?
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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 01:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don`t know much about the technical circumstances of that gig in particular. But when it comes down to Queen, we get all kind of strange and dodgy statements about what`s left in the vaults. I think they are just pretty "good" in PR drivel. As a side note you can have my personal opinion on the folks who are in charge of the vaults - part time incompetence at it`s worst / best ;)


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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 03:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i don't think the film was salvaged in the same way as the soundboard tapes. in 1986 - i'm sure they didn't think there would be much use for extra video footage. also the idea of bonus footage in 1986 didn't really exist. no one expected dvds,blu ray etc. or even what we have now with the modern form of the internet. streaming videos? in 1986?

Anyone here remember RealAudio player!!? Netscape? AOL :-) ahh the good ol' days. when it took 2 days to download a queen video

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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 08:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

2 days?? You obviously had a better connection than I did :/

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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dear Marlamir, since you are painfully stuck in the incomprehensible origin of the multicam video, and nobody is willing to save you, here are the news:
- there is no conspiracy, the recording containing the now missing material was obviously made before the material disappeared not after, as you suggest;
- the tape was made in 1986 during the film editing, so it's part of the production process, not a "fun version";
- being a Queen savant is cool, but only if you are not an idiot.

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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 12:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You seem to be forgetting a few things.
1) The film was shot in 1986. It was common in the 80's and even in the 90's to combine live footage with interview / backstage stuff, they didn't think people will simply want to watch a concert.
2) It was shot on film. Film needs to be properly stored, otherwise it deteriorates. In the best case you will end up with faded colors, in the worst case the film will literally fall apart.
3) During editing any movie, lots of stuff gets deleted for various reasons. The Budapest film was meant to be a movie, the director was trying to create a "story" about a famous "western" rock band for the first time in a communistic country, that's why lots of footage (including some parts of songs or complete songs) was cut.
4) There was no "deleted scenes" market back in 1986, at least not officially. The idea of including deleted scenes or creating alternate / extended cuts was as far as I know created just to boost laserdisc sales, and was definitely not a normal thing in Hungary in 1986, we in Czechoslovakia had no laserdiscs, just VHS tapes, and they definitely didn't include any bonus features, so I guess our southern neighbours were in a similar situation.
5) If you think about all of these things, the fact that no cut footage survived, is an absolutely normal thing. In the 80's stuff that didn't make it to the final cut was usually destroyed, simply because there was no reason to store that stuff - storing film is expensive, and if they can't monetize it, why should they store it?
6) You are confusing film and audio. The footage shot by MaFilm was property of MaFilm, the soundboard recording was done by Queen and therefore property of Queen (not sure if Queen Productions or whatever was their company back then). That's why the release was a co-operation between MaFilm and Queen Films, if I remember correctly. So why does it surprise you that Queen have a complete soundboard recording but not a complete film recording?
7) The 16 camera version was created as a tool for the director and the editor, so that they could quickly choose which camera angle to cut to. The copy we have was created (probably illegally) by somebody holding a PAL camcorder in front of the screen

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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 14:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

^^^ seems to make perfect sense.



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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 15:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, great answer. Thank you pittrek. To be honest i have no idea how concert back than (and still maybe today) was made. I have no idea that 16 cam was only helping tool illegaly recorded.

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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 22:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pittrek nailed it.

The only thing I can add is Queen were offered the uncut footage by the Hungarian government in the early 90s, but they didn't bite because they had more important things to worry about - i.e. grieving over the loss of Freddie.

Hindsight is 20/20, but the timing just wasn't right, and as a result the rest of the footage is likely lost forever.

But of course this is just for the video. The audio is well intact, which is why the complete show was released on CD a few years back.



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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 22:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I find it hard believe the footage was destroyed.

If the band don't have it it is probably in the hands of a private collector .


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Posted: 12 Dec 17, 23:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They're not lyung about Budapest.
They are lying about Knebworth though ;-) :-) :-)


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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 10:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For sure they lying about knebworth. But i still have naive dream that kneb. Will relleased... :-) newerthless maybe some government have uncut footage still , but thats not very possible i think

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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 14:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Pittrek, interesting information! Hopefully, the raw tape of the 16 Cam version will surface one day...if that's not destroyed :(

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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 14:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

on my way up wrote:

They're not lyung about Budapest.
They are lying about Knebworth though ;-) :-) :-)


I think the same...

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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 15:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Luckily i still have original 16 cameras version, file is litlle bit compressed to save some space but vithout losing quality. So check this thread chin.
http://queenzone.com/forums/1497388/budapest-16-camera-edition.aspx

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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 15:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

on my way up wrote:

They're not lyung about Budapest.
They are lying about Knebworth though ;-) :-) :-)


Here's my theory, I could be 100% wrong.

From what I could see on Queenlive.ca, only 3 gigs have the Big Screen above the stage, these were the two Wembley shows and Knebworth. My theory is that any gig with the big screen was recorded.

Not too mention that they seemed to have a satisfaction with filming the last gig on some tours; Tokyo 1/5, Hammersmith '75, Hyde Park, Hammersmith '79, etc.

Also, why would they lie about not having it? Then again, they do some daft things...

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Posted: 13 Dec 17, 15:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Marlamir wrote:
Luckily i still have original 16 cameras version, file is litlle bit compressed to save some space but vithout losing quality.

350M mp4 for 100min it's not "without losing quality".
Do you have some other audio devices beside the tablet? Like a CD player, turntable, amplifier, speakers. Have you ever touched a reel-to-reel tape recorder?
It seems your only asset is enthusiasm, but luckily this is highly praised here, so i predict you'll have a fine career on queenzone.



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Posted: 14 Dec 17, 19:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

^ An articulate and factual response, keep it up.

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Posted: 15 Dec 17, 04:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why not. They lied about John being a singet in their videos and concerts.