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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 20:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree you can't go only by that.....you also ask yourself over time....In our case a long time, if you were born in 63. What our all time favorite songs are and what album you keep going back to after years of listening. How do you decide which album is your favorite? I agree you can't say one album is better than another. We all like different things. Someone on this thread mentioned side 2 of The Works. That's his taste....let's grill him over that. How dare he like The Works over Queen 2 and Opera.....I think Roger and Brian liked SHA when asked what their favorite was. Slash It was NOTW.....I'm stating a reason why I put opera at 1 and Queen2 at a very close 2nd. In my opinion it was bit more consistent, and we also got many different styles of music on Opera. One thing we could agree on is Opera was the most Important record they ever made as per Roger Talyor.

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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 20:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

^^^

It would have sucked. Back then (not being a dick, just uncertain of reader ages here who may have never listened to anything but downloads or a CD), flipping a side meant something, it was the physical end of the side. Turn it over and the anticipation of the new side begins. The slow build, backward masking and vocal intro to Ogre Battle was sensational, LITE had none of the drama and would have been a lousy side opener. Queen were so good at great picks for side two the in the album days.

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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 20:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

^^^ Tom P63

It would have sucked. Back then (not being a dick, just uncertain of reader ages here who may have never listened to anything but downloads or a CD), flipping a side meant something, it was the physical end of the side. Turn it over and the anticipation of the new side begins. The slow build, backward masking and vocal intro to Ogre Battle was sensational, LITE had none of the drama and would have been a lousy side opener. Queen were so good at great picks for side two the in the album days.

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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 20:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One album I just cannot have on in the background. It actually deserves to be listened to. On the very rare occasions I can sit back and close my eyes and give it my full concentration it never fails to astound. I always hear something in it that I didn't hear before. Imagine if Queen were always told 'forget singles, just do what you want'... It is the very essence of the band.

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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I haven't got Queen 2 yet or The Works so can't comment TBH!

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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 22:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sheer Brass Neck wrote:

^^^

It would have sucked. Back then (not being a dick, just uncertain of reader ages here who may have never listened to anything but downloads or a CD), flipping a side meant something, it was the physical end of the side. Turn it over and the anticipation of the new side begins. The slow build, backward masking and vocal intro to Ogre Battle was sensational, LITE had none of the drama and would have been a lousy side opener. Queen were so good at great picks for side two the in the album days.

I agree! I wouldn't trade buying records back in the 80's for nothing. I'm 46 so I did miss buying those early Queen records when they were new....but my Introduction to Queen was SHA and Queen 2 on Record In 1988, and yes It would have sucked If loser in the end opened side black. Thank god for Orge Battle!


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Posted: 29 Dec 17, 22:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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One album I just cannot have on in the background. It actually deserves to be listened to. On the very rare occasions I can sit back and close my eyes and give it my full concentration it never fails to astound. I always hear something in it that I didn't hear before. Imagine if Queen were always told 'forget singles, just do what you want'... It is the very essence of the band.

It's brilliant.....Just think In only 8 more years they would release Hot Space.


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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 05:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Add to the 80s memories spooling to the end of the tape. Some tapes rejigged the tracklists to even up the side lengths (most notably Queen 1) but those that didn't really ate into your personal stereo batteries :)

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 08:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This album is great, of course, but I don't listen to it often.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm in the minority here, but I don't think it's THAT brilliant. It's really ambitious, and brave, and wonderfully creative, but I don't think it's as melodic as the stuff that came shortly after, and ultimately great melodies are my favourite part of Queen.

Side 1 - Father to Son is a decent heavy song, but it's no It's Late. White Queen is touching, though melodically doesn't do it for me. Some Day One Day is boring (we're talking She Makes Me levels of dull here). Loser in the end is meh.

Side 2 is better, for sure. However, I can't get on board with the lyrical themes of Fairy Feller; Seven Seas is good, though probably the weakest lead single they released until Jazz came along; MOTBQ is great, and brilliantly ambitious, but it doesn't have the impact of Bohemian Rhapsody (I'd probably take The Millionaire Waltz over it, too, if we're comparing those kinds of Freddie songs).

Nevermore is beautiful and probably my favourite song on the album.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 16:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thrill Yeti wrote:

I'm in the minority here, but I don't think it's THAT brilliant. It's really ambitious, and brave, and wonderfully creative, but I don't think it's as melodic as the stuff that came shortly after, and ultimately great melodies are my favourite part of Queen.

Side 1 - Father to Son is a decent heavy song, but it's no It's Late. White Queen is touching, though melodically doesn't do it for me. Some Day One Day is boring. . .

Side 2 is better, for sure. However, I can't get on board with the lyrical themes of Fairy Feller; Seven Seas is good, though probably the weakest lead single they released until Jazz came along; MOTBQ is great, and brilliantly ambitious, but it doesn't have the impact of Bohemian Rhapsody (I'd probably take The Millionaire Waltz over it, too, if we're comparing those kinds of Freddie songs).

Nevermore is beautiful. . .

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I'm afraid I disagree.

I think the song writing and production is amongst the most adventurous ever put out, with real depth and breadth.

I love It's Late but it's a much simpler sounding melody, arrangement and lyric than Father To Son.

Listening to the album it's pretty clear Seven Seas Of Rhye is the obvious and probably only choice for a single, but being early in their career it would be pretty bad If itwas the strongest single ever.

The album paved the way for things like Bo Rhap. I really like the unpredictable direction the writing and arrangements take the listener. A great album that goes far deeper than catchy melodies and chorus lines.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No hate here....we all have different taste and I could understand a person not liking those first 2 albums. It's mostly in fantasy land. My Fairy king and Black Queens, lol. It's awsome though. I still like the hits as well, but stuff like Queen and Queen 2 are brilliant in my opinion. Father to son is Just as good as It's Late in my View. I might even like it better. Great vocals, love the guitar solo and it gets pretty heavy and melodic at the same time.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 20:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thing is, I wouldn't say catchy melodies and depth are mutually exclusive. My favourite Queen songs are probably the ones that have both.

I agree that Queen II paved the way for the stuff that came after, but it does feel like a stepping stone to me, in a way.

Fairy Feller is definitely doing some adventurous and skillful things, I'm just not sure it all amounts to that much. Death on Two Legs has similar complexity, but it adds up to make a much tighter and better song, in my opinion. Basically I feel like they applied all that creativity a bit better for the following three albums.

Weirdly, I probably like Queen 1 almost as much as Queen II, if not equally. KYA, Doing Alright, Liar and Night Comes Down are all great. I'd take Liar over Father to Son anyday actually, as a 6 minute heavy song.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 21:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Considering they recorded most of Queen 2 just weeks after releasing Queen, they managed to record one one orgasm after another. John's bass sounds amazing.

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Posted: 30 Dec 17, 21:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And after releasing those first 2 albums within months, both great albums, they release Another Gem in Sheer Hear Attack in the same year as Queen 2. Back in those days most bands released albums every year, but 3 strong albums in a 2 year period is Impressive.

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Posted: 31 Dec 17, 01:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mike hunt wrote:

And after releasing those first 2 albums within months, both great albums, they release Another Gem in Sheer Hear Attack in the same year as Queen 2. Back in those days most bands released albums every year, but 3 strong albums in a 2 year period is Impressive.


Actually it is 3 albums in 16 months ...


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