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Posted: 01 Jan 18, 23:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A failed attempt??? Puh-lease ... Good click-bait title though ...

I go against conventional wisdom as well (as usual).

aDatR has been my favorite Queen album for many years, whereas aNatO has faded out of my top five.

At the moment, I comparison rank the songs from favorite to least favorite:

SUPERB:
1. Good Company
2. The Millionaire Waltz
3. Somebody to Love
4. Bohemian Rhapsody
5. Teo Torriate

EXCEPTIONAL:
6. You Take My Breath Away
7. You and I
8. Tie Your Mother Down

EXCELLENT:
9. Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon
10. Drowse
11. I'm in Love with My Car
12. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy

Very Good:

13. '39
14. White Man
15. The Prophet Song
16. Death on Two Legs

GOOD:

17. Long Away
18. Love of My Life
19. Seaside Rendezvous
20. You're My Best Friend

SUB-PAR:
21. God Save the Queen
22. Sweet Lady


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 00:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sister albums on the surface but...

What about option #3 "better than"? I wouldn't go that far but I do think that ADATR is the better sounding of the two (as is the case with every album without Roy Baker).

ADATR has a melancholic atmosphere that I just can't find on the other albums, even ANATO. Long Away, Drowse, Teo Torriate and YTMBA come to mind.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 04:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ADATR side 1 is my favorite of the 4. it's the one i can listen to without ever getting tired of it. I'm a huge fan of Millionaire Waltz and You & I. Although, I prefer ANATO as a cohesive album due to the weaknesses in Side 2 of ADATR which has a horrible flow in comparison to the other 3 sides. ANOTO's greatest strength is the tracklist - it has an absolutely perfect sequence, in my opinion.

While ADATR sounds like a companion piece to the monster - i know this sounds completely idiotic - but I find ADATR has a fresher sound than ANATO. I believe it has to do with the fact that it was self-produced.

Failed attempt at recreating ANATO? absolutely. it bombed if that was what they were trying to achieve. But without asking such an obtuse question - you'd never give it a second thought... ADATR is a great Queen album.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 06:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SillyGoose wrote:

ADATR has a melancholic atmosphere that I just can't find on the other albums, even ANATO. Long Away, Drowse, Teo Torriate and YTMBA come to mind.


...which really is ironic, because these sessions are probably the happiest they ever were in the studio as a unit.



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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 06:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I suppose that a different opinion is needed here... :P

I prefer ADATR, for me, much better songs on it. Yes ANATO contains Bohemian Rhapsody, Death On Two Legs, You´re My Best Friend and I´m In Love With My Car...But i usually skip songs like Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon, Seaside Rendezvous, Good Company and God Save The Queen. Not a big fan of Sweet Lady, Love Of My Life or The Prophet´s Song. I like them but...

ADATR sound very near to ANATO but has better songs...My least favourite songs are The Millionaire Waltz and White Man but i don´t skip them when i hear this album.

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I suppose i´m a rare-Queen-fan... Even i prefer solo albums like Blue Rock or Mad Bad instead of albums like Sheer Heart Attack, Queen II or ANATO (which are not on my Top 5)...

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ADATR is my favourite Queen album...just pure joy from end, not a weak track on it, immaculate writing, production and performance.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 15:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What is interesting, but unsurprising, is that we all rate each of the songs differently. It's bloody typical of us. :-)


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 20:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Panchgani wrote:

A failed attempt??? Puh-lease ... Good click-bait title though ...

I go against conventional wisdom as well (as usual).

aDatR has been my favorite Queen album for many years, whereas aNatO has faded out of my top five.

At the moment, I comparison rank the songs from favorite to least favorite:

SUPERB:
1. Good Company
2. The Millionaire Waltz
3. Somebody to Love
4. Bohemian Rhapsody
5. Teo Torriate

EXCEPTIONAL:
6. You Take My Breath Away
7. You and I
8. Tie Your Mother Down

EXCELLENT:
9. Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon
10. Drowse
11. I'm in Love with My Car
12. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy

Very Good:

13. '39
14. White Man
15. The Prophet Song
16. Death on Two Legs

GOOD:

17. Long Away
18. Love of My Life
19. Seaside Rendezvous
20. You're My Best Friend

SUB-PAR:
21. God Save the Queen
22. Sweet Lady

I'm really not click baiting.....Races is a Interesting album in the fact that I hear 2 sides of the argument since I been a Queen fan. On one side I hear It's a strong album and disciplined Like Opera and others say they tried too copy their biggest success and failed, that''s why they went in a new direction with News Of The World.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 21:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not sure they tried to copy it - certainly making part 2 was on their mind primarily because they were totally out of ideas.

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 21:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mike hunt wrote:

Panchgani wrote:

A failed attempt??? Puh-lease ... Good click-bait title though ...

I go against conventional wisdom as well (as usual).

aDatR has been my favorite Queen album for many years, whereas aNatO has faded out of my top five.

At the moment, I comparison rank the songs from favorite to least favorite:

SUPERB:
1. Good Company
2. The Millionaire Waltz
3. Somebody to Love
4. Bohemian Rhapsody
5. Teo Torriate

EXCEPTIONAL:
6. You Take My Breath Away
7. You and I
8. Tie Your Mother Down

EXCELLENT:
9. Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon
10. Drowse
11. I'm in Love with My Car
12. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy

Very Good:

13. '39
14. White Man
15. The Prophet Song
16. Death on Two Legs

GOOD:

17. Long Away
18. Love of My Life
19. Seaside Rendezvous
20. You're My Best Friend

SUB-PAR:
21. God Save the Queen
22. Sweet Lady

I'm really not click baiting.....Races is a Interesting album in the fact that I hear 2 sides of the argument since I been a Queen fan. On one side I hear It's a strong album and disciplined Like Opera and others say they tried to copy their biggest success and failed, that''s why they went in a new direction with News Of The World.




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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 21:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Real Wizard wrote:

I wouldn't say it was an attempt to recreate, but the methodology certainly was similar.

There was less diversity of genres, but it was no less creative or impactful. The Millionaire Waltz is one of the finest pieces in the canon.

But - put a gun to my head and ANATO wins every time. Everything anyone needs to know about Queen is on side 2 of that album. It is perfect.


Sums it up for me......I do rate ANATO slightly higher than ADATR, but I Think Races is almost on the same level. Millionaire Watlz is one of the best songs Freddie composed. Not Bo RHap, but still amazing. Wish it got more attention. So I side with sister albums and brilliance part 2. Rating Queen albums is not easy. Every album is different, how do you compare SHA Queen 1 and Races? 3 different sounding albums. Depends on the mood. I guess my list would be Opera, Queen2 are locks for the first 2 favorites, then it gets harder. Say, Queen 1 (love the songs on this one) SHA at 4 Then ADATR and NOTW. That's my top 6. 2nd level albums are The Game, Innuendo and Jazz.




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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Amazing. It took me this long to realize your name isn’t actually mike hunt. lol

Or if it is, it’s awesome ;-)

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Mike G.....Hunt is short for Hunter, my nephew, so no hunt is not part of my name. I tried changing the hunt part a few times since he's an adult now, lol. I guess I'm stuck with it.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 03:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

not sure if we're referring to the same thing. look up your queenzone moniker in the urban dictionary.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 04:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queenzone moniker.....Ok I'll look that up

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I'm afraid too look.....don't see that Queenzone moniker....thank god

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 05:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok i'll bite ...

Jimmy Dean is referring to scene from the movie Porkies.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 05:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was more like Part 5 of Greatness in my book: other than the titles, it's not *that* similar to its predecessor - in fact, I'd say both 'Opera' and 'Races' are more similar to 'Sheer Heart Attack' than they are to each other. In fact, out of their first six records (before becoming millionaires, before leaving Britain, before John cut his hair and before Mike Stone parted with them), 'Heart Attack' is the most similar to 'Queen', the most similar to 'Queen II', the most similar to 'Opera', the most similar to 'Races' and the most similar to 'News.' It might also be the most similar to 'Jazz' as well... but anyway that's way off-topic.

Queen had a formula, and it worked: whatever they did, be it skiffle or blues or vaudeville or even an effing waltz, they did it with their unique craftsmanship and using their extraordinary abilities to make it dynamic. The song came first, and if the song demanded a layered arrangement that's the way it would be, but if the song demanded something sparser that's they way it's be as well.

I also think they were sort of getting to know themselves better. 'You Take My Breath Away' is IMO the most Frederick-esque song out of everything he wrote. Not necessarily his best song or his most complicated song but probably the one which is most uniquely him. 'Drowse' is certainly a highlight in Roger's underrated output, as is 'You and I'.

Personally, I think Brian was absolutely phenomenal on this album, both playing and singing, and of course writing and arranging. Four tracks, all quite different from each other, all quite detailed and poignant.

Sure, I still prefer 'Opera' but it doesn't make this one a bad album, not at all.


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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 06:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For me A Day At The Races is the better album. Some fantastic musicianship on both albums though.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 10:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I find ADATR less "delicate" than ANATO. Might be the self-production thing.


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