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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm trying to get someone who barely knows We will rock you into queen. What album should I recommend to them?

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 19:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Depends entirely on what kind of music they like, if you ask me.


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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 19:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GH1

And they'll go 'oh I knew all those songs... were they all Queen?'

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Posted: 02 Jan 18, 23:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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GH1

And they'll go 'oh I knew all those songs... were they all Queen?'


THIS!!!


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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 02:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

if not GH... News of The World or The Game should be the go-to albums. They are probably the least dated Queen albums.

Queen, Queen II, SHA, ANATO and ADATR are amazing albums that sound like they were written at a time when it was cool to use multitrack vocals and stereo effects. And when songs like Fairy Feller, Misfire, Leroy Brown, Seaside, Lover Boy, etc... you understand where this is going.

Jazz is a one-off oddity that was badly produced - but has some great Queen songs - however the lackluster production overrides and detracts. Flash is a soundtrack

Post 80s Queen sounds a little dated. Same goes for Innuendo - which sounds very early 90s. Made In Heaven actually sounds pretty fresh minus YDFM.

So back to what i was saying - NOTW and The Game have a very balanced production, do not *sound* like songs of the era and each have a healthy number of hits - a little hit-heavier in the Game. The only *dated* tracks of these 2 albums are actually the biggest hits (WWRY, WATC, AOBTD) + Coming Soon. Everything else sounds like it could have been recorded today.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 02:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I told them to listen to ANATO. You're right about we will rock you being dated though, I told them it was the "stomp stomp clap" song and they immediately commented on its age. NOTW was my second choice though

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 05:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

'A Night at the Opera'. It can make a person go from 'oh yeah, Queen, they're alright' to 'wow, I've gotta learn more about these lads'. Source: that's what happened to me.


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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 05:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed - you won't get that from NOTW. It's my favorite album by far but definitely no comparison to ANATO. To me however, I can see someone who grows up on Bieber and Beyonce being turned off by ANATO.

We currently live in a shitty music era. Notwithstanding those that grew up in the 60s and 70s.... I was 10 in 1994. So i was very lucky to have grown up during a good time for music. 1991 to 1997 was an epic period. My generation's 67-75.

So my point is depending on what you currently listen to - should determine what album is best as an introductory to Queen. Bieber/Drake/etc --> The Game .......... Arcade Fire/Vampire Weekend/etc --> ANATO ............ Old school ... Beatles/Stones/Zeppelin/Sabbath --> NOTW followed by SHA.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 11:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I most love The Miracle and Innuendo and always recommend them. Or a few songs from each album.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 11:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Give them ADATR and ask then if it's a failed attempt to copy ANATO

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hot Space.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 12:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually I'm joking - although Hot Space does have a couple of saving graces on it.

My personal favourite albums are:

Sheer Heart Attack, A Night At The Opera, A Day At The Races, News of the World and The Game.

Sometimes I LOVE Queen II, sometimes I'm just not in the mood. It's a big heavy meal and it's exceptional in so many ways, but it's not accessible perhaps, to someone who may have a shorter attention span. I like Queen as well, the first album I mean, Liar and Keep Yourself Alive are brilliant songs, but it's not perhaps the best introduction to the band. Of course, that WAS the introduction to the band for the general public back in '73, so you know... perhaps....

Yup it seems I'm in the camp of people who think Queen's best work was their 1970s output, although of course there were some great things done in the 1980s. Their 1980s career is seen by some as over-hyped, over sold and under par. That may be partly true, but pretty much all of The Game is awesome, Under Pressure is wonderful, Cool Cat is a great song even if it's not their best. All of the UK singles from "The Works" worked very well - Hammer To Fall and Radio Gaga were designed to be stadium classics, A Kind Of Magic and One Vision are very accessible, I Want It All is that classic anthem-type Queen track. Some of the tracks from A Kind Of Magic and The Miracle seem to be a bit dated now but they're still good music. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure could practically only have been written in 1986, The Miracle and Breakthru probably couldn't be hits today - The Miracle itself is a wonderful song in my own personal opinion, but in retrospect it suffers from some of the synthesisers used on it, and its composition is a little bit Andrew Lloyd Webber for my taste (runs, ducks and takes cover..... it's only an opinion guys don't hate me....). I like Rain Must Fall because it's fun, but it does kind of fall into that late-80s Yuppy vibe - that said if I'm not mistaken I think that's what it was taking the piss out of, and Queen were always a band who had a lot of humour in their work.

It's often said that the public are quite good at deciding what is good and what isn't good. I'm not sure how true that is since there is clearly a lot of manipulation on the part of record companies and has been since time immemorial. What is true is that laterally when Queen have released albums like Deep Cuts to get the general public more interested in the non-singles tracks, or the Queen Forever collection which even included one unreleased vocal from Freddie, for whatever reason the public weren't all that interested. Perhaps it was because the albums weren't given appropriate publicity, or perhaps it's just because people aren't so interested in the lesser known tracks.

The enduring popularity of Queen Greatest Hits 1, and to a lesser extent Greatest Hits II must mean something. Greatest Hits III was probably a mistake - released 2 years too soon and with too much filler on it... although there are some nice song on it and it's a good way to pick up some of the lesser known solo tracks. Although I don't know why, for instance, they'd have put two of Freddie's solo tracks on it, one of Brian's, and none of Roger's.... they could have put Happiness on it to be fair, but I think it probably shouldn't have been released at all.

Anyway that's my long-drawn out waffle, to bore the tits off anyone who cares to read. Enjoy your day and - oh Happy New Year to you all.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 12:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If they like Queen, they will get something out of whatever you give them. There is of course a chance they won't like Queen. This doesn't hinge on the album I'm sure.

GH1 was my first album back in the early 80s. I liked - and I mean REALLY LIKED - only 2 songs. My next was Queen 1 which was almost unrecognisable as the same band and I didn't like it very much. But my mind was made up. I was a Queen fan.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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if not GH... News of The World or The Game should be the go-to albums. They are probably the least dated Queen albums.


Maybe so - but nobody's trying to prove that Queen have a current sound in 2018. The purpose is to show someone why Queen was a great band with a unique sound and a sense of focus when they were at their best.

Whether or not we like it, most music fans aside from hardcore Queen fans think all Queen albums after ANATO have filler. If you're showing someone The Beatles, you go with Revolver or Sgt Pepper, not Help or Magical Mystery Tour. For Queen, the only option is ANATO (or maybe SHA). ANATO is the only album that showcases literally everything Queen has to offer.

If someone doesn't like ANATO, they probably won't like the fluff on side 2 of The Game. Greatest Hits it is. There's a reason why most of the world sees Queen as a hits band like Abba, not an albums band.



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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 17:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I can see someone who grows up on Bieber and Beyonce being turned off by ANATO.


Correct.

So if that's what someone is dealing with, you're probably not going to do much better than Greatest Hits. There are too many average album tracks that won't keep their interest. We're in the day and age of the average kid having a 7 second attention span. They're socialized by iPads by the time they're 2.

Furthermore - if the person is older than 10 and their diet has been Bieber and Beyonce, then by this description they do not understand the difference between music and music product, and probably never will. Just look at the YouTube view counts for any real art vs literally any pop song released last week that already has a half billion views.

These seeds have to be planted early in life. Today most kids learn that music is only about a catchy beat and reinforcing things they have already absorbed by the abyss that is popular culture. It's such a small view of what music can potentially be, and it's sad that most people in the west today under the age of 40 see music this way.

Never mind a rock band, I'm more sad that they will never be able to listen to Vivaldi or traditional Irish tunes and even recognize it as music. Miriam Makeba? Paco de Lucia? Nana Mouskouri? Ravi Shankar? Not a chance.

Grim this may sound, but this is from 15 years experience in teaching music to thousands of students. You have to get them early, or it's game over.



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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 17:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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i was very lucky to have grown up during a good time for music. 1991 to 1997 was an epic period.


It sure was. Grunge was the last time the music industry sponsored a legitimate movement.

Nowadays it's completely up to the listener and the people around them to help children learn what real music is. The radio and TV are not doing it anymore.



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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 18:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Britpop, dude. When the world wanted to be in swinging mid-90s London.

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Britpop, dude. When the world wanted to be in swinging mid-90s London.


True.

But I wouldn't call that a "movement" as much as artists from the same place with a similar sound.

Grunge had a singular thread - a coming of age, a learned cynicism, a fuck you to corporatization and what MTV did to popular music in the 80s. Music videos eventually became productions with budgets of small countries (and funded by the artist who also saw none of the ad revenue). Artistic vision was sold off to the highest bidder. A generation clued in, and they were pissed.

Fast forward a generation. Kids have a cell phone that can make pancakes by the time they're 8. They think everything is fine. That's why there is no grunge for the 21st century. Most kids have been bought off and don't realize how badly they need it. They have Nicky Minaj now.



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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 18:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Britpop all had a common thread too - songs about cups of tea and how lovely the weather is.

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Posted: 03 Jan 18, 18:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Cosmos Rocks :)