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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

dysan wrote:

Interesting to see an audience source for the glitch. I'd say it's a delay tower being a dick, but the crowd don't seem that far away.

*scratches head*


Surely not a delay tower as the voice and music comes earlier than Lamebird is actually singing and the singing melody is quite differnt from what he actually sings. He sang live but they had a backing track that was outta sync. At least half playback then

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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emrabt wrote:

They've used double tracking since Paul Rogers days, you'll be hard pressed to find a band which doesn't these days, especially an older group whose vocalists are getting a weaker voice. That's where you have a quieter prerecorded vocal just behind the live vocal in parts so it's not as noticeable if you miss a note or anything.

But this does look like Lambert is full on mining.


It's not a backing track they use it's a vocoder type thing that Spike uses (he explained about it in a video it's on Y/tube) where it doubles up the vocals for a fuller sound but live not recorded. This just looks like the track they would use for setting up all the lights, cue's and lasers etc was activated when obviously it shouldn't have been. There were issues getting the sound sorted at rehearsal and then the previous artist ran on longer and the stage was still being set up as Rami was introducing them, far different than their normal tour when they've plenty time to iron out everything and check the equipment properly. As Dysan said Adam's the last person to need lip sync.


It was not only the voice but the instruments as well-. It was a whole track containing everything and recorded obviously at another date.


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dysan wrote:

It appears to be the entire performance though - guitar / drums and vocal which makes me believe it's more likely to be a message from the future telling them to stop.


Haha good one

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes it was unclear what was happening on first view. Which was the 'ghost' sound and what we were actually seeing. On the stream it made sense as the some kind of delay malarkey but the audience one is revealing.

I can't believe how many times I've watched different sources of that today to try to fathom it out. As it's on the beat I'd think that the tap tempo backing track was triggered too early by someone earlier in the song - but TBH this is why I've never dabbled in that sort of performance myself. It's bound to go screwy.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We can all agree on one thing, some prerecorded stuff started up and was out of sync by a second or two, this doesn't appear to come through the stage monitors as the band were still playing.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that's a fair conclusion. I'm still trying to disprove this however as I feel a little let down by them.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 17:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

dysan wrote:

I think that's a fair conclusion. I'm still trying to disprove this however as I feel a little let down by them.


Well if it was a double track vocal, it would have been just a vocal going out of sync, like you get with Roger Waters or Paul McCartney and the like when mishaps happen.

As you pointed out this is a whole other performance that kicks in.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 20:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why does this topic exist twice?

I posted an explanation in the thread with the same topic in the QAL section. If anyone is still wondering, what happened there.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 21:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Why does this topic exist twice?

I posted an explanation in the thread with the same topic in the QAL section. If anyone is still wondering, what happened there.


Just to clarify the explanation on the other thread, is it this?:

"The backing track was used for the technicians during pre-show set up but accidentally played the same time as the background screen video"

Presumably the fading in and out was a technician frantically moving the sliders trying to turn it down.

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Posted: 15 Oct 19, 21:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

emrabt wrote:

Sealion wrote:

Why does this topic exist twice?

I posted an explanation in the thread with the same topic in the QAL section. If anyone is still wondering, what happened there.


Just to clarify the explanation on the other thread, is it this?:

"The backing track was used for the technicians during pre-show set up but accidentally played the same time as the background screen video"

That’s it. In short.



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Posted: 16 Oct 19, 06:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That makes sense. I did note that it happened as the screen popped into life behind them but other than that..

Also a point of note, I'm guessing a lot of people (myself included) don't even note that there is a QAL forum so it's fair to assume that this, and all QAL stuff can be discussed here too.



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Posted: 16 Oct 19, 13:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The simple answer would be that production rehearsals are sometimes filmed and very often audio recorded.

This was a major televised event, in case of live sound drop out they had a recording of the songs they were playing which was switched in by mistake. There is no audible difference in the rest of the performance. An obvious thing to have as a backing track would be a second guitar to privide a fuller sound when Brian is soloing, this doesn't happen. Another would be for the solos in part or whole to be "on tape" this again doesn't happen Brian changes what he plays more often than a lot of people realise and he makes mistakes, so he is live. If they were using tapes they wouldn't need a percussionist, Roger could play just the basics while a recording did the rest. He is quite obscured by his kit. Spike and Neil are accomplished players too.

Vocally they have more voices available than they had originally to cover backing vocals. As for the lead vocals, one of the complaints about Lambert is that he keeps changing the phrasing, timing and delivery of the melody, if he was lip syncing that wouldn't be the case.

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Posted: 16 Oct 19, 15:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vocal harmony wrote:

The simple answer would be that production rehearsals are sometimes filmed and very often audio recorded.

This was a major televised event, in case of live sound drop out they had a recording of the songs they were playing which was switched in by mistake. There is no audible difference in the rest of the performance. An obvious thing to have as a backing track would be a second guitar to privide a fuller sound when Brian is soloing, this doesn't happen. Another would be for the solos in part or whole to be "on tape" this again doesn't happen Brian changes what he plays more often than a lot of people realise and he makes mistakes, so he is live. If they were using tapes they wouldn't need a percussionist, Roger could play just the basics while a recording did the rest. He is quite obscured by his kit. Spike and Neil are accomplished players too.

Vocally they have more voices available than they had originally to cover backing vocals. As for the lead vocals, one of the complaints about Lambert is that he keeps changing the phrasing, timing and delivery of the melody, if he was lip syncing that wouldn't be the case.


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Posted: 16 Oct 19, 19:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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