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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 02:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah I really disagree with these types of threads which are just a straight out personal attack. No matter who it's against it's not really necessary guys. Let's be better than this.





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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 02:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That is a "very poor post", indeed. At the very least, she should have narrowed it down to "it seems like SOME Queen fans".

BTW...I've been a Queen fan" since 1978(yes I'm OLD) and I just went to see QAL in concert this past August and also in 2017. It seems there is an unreasonable in incorrect perception of what makes a "true fan" on both sides. I have no interest in Adam Lambert outside of his involvement with Brian and Roger but WOW...I'm really taken aback by the vitriol from those that don't like this collaboration.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 03:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

I can pretty much guess who that was!!


Do tell.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 03:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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That is a "very poor post", indeed. At the very least, she should have narrowed it down to "it seems like SOME Queen fans".

BTW...I've been a Queen fan" since 1978(yes I'm OLD) and I just went to see QAL in concert this past August and also in 2017. It seems there is an unreasonable in incorrect perception of what makes a "true fan" on both sides. I have no interest in Adam Lambert outside of his involvement with Brian and Roger but WOW...I'm really taken aback by the vitriol from those that don't like this collaboration.


She has made some very poor posts more than once regarding Queen fans. Elsewhere on another Queen board she has said posters on QOL isn't accepting AL because he's gay.
I truly think she has a vendetta about Queen fans, at this point. I will never understand how or why someone could ever say that Queen fans wanted Brian Roger and John to die with Freddie. That's one of the most rotten things I've read by any music fan, no matter what "side" one is on and to see it posted on a Queen board...it's crazy, heartless and to start a thread to say someone is boring, has nothing on SweetCaroline's way of posting.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 03:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a lifelong American fan, I may have a different perspective on QAL than say...a European fan that has seen Queen be commercially successful throughout their career. I remember at their nadir where it was hard to get information on a new album like AKOM or The Miracle and I learned about studio happenings and release dates primarily from the fan club newsletter. It broke my heart when their new albums were virtually ignored...when on it's release they only had a few copies in the store and the radio barely(if at all) played the lead single from it. I witnessed Freddie's death covered in the media as a mere blip. I learned that Freddie had died from a small sidebar in the daily USA TODAY newspaper. There wasn't even a real resurgence of interest in Queen in late '91 as far as radio play or media exposure so I was thrilled when a few months later when the Wayne's World movie helped reintroduce Queen to the general American audience.

Fast forward to 2005 and the QPR collaboration. The first couple of U.S. dates of the FULL tour were barely half filled. So...yes...I was very pleased when I saw reports that the first 2014 tour as QAL were very well attended. I never saw ANY incarnation of "Queen" live up to that point. I was only 13 when Queen last toured with Freddie in 1982 and they did not come to my city. Soooo....when I saw that they were coming to Nashville in August of 2017 I immediately jumped at the opportunity to see my lifelong heroes(Roger and Brian) in a live setting and was very pleased to see the arena full and the crowd enthusiastic. The same goes for the Bohemian Rhapsody movie and the subsequent sold out tour. This is MY band. My first love in music and I love seeing them being embraced with sold-out shows. I understand the "greatest hits" pre-programmed nature of the whole thing but I just love that they are prominent here.

That's because I love Queen. It's not a perfect way for Queen to go out but it is the way that it is happening and if that means that they are connecting with a new generation with this configuration then so be it. It's what we've got with Brian and Roger now in their 70's. I appreciate it for what it is.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There was a great precipitous fall for Queen in the states and the Billboard charts bare that out.

Anecdotally, I saw new Queen releases take huge swaths of display space in record stores for Jazz...The Game...Flash Gordon...Greatest Hits...Hot Space. The Works also had that as they had signed on to Capitol Records and there WAS a big promotional push. It was supposed to be their "comeback". But...Capitol Records lost interest by the time of AKOM and I remember it not even being displayed on the wall of new releases...you had to go to the general section and find just a few copies under the "Q" section...same with the Miracle. Innuendo DID actually have a lot of promotional materials since they had just signed to Disney's Hollywood Records but we know how that turned out. #30 on the album charts and off the top 200 in less than 15 weeks.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I can guarantee you, that one member on QOL had posted that opinion (not mentioned John, I think). The poster took it back after other fans didn’t take well to that opinion. But yes, a well known longtime member and Queen fan is very pissed by everything Brian and Roger have done in the past 20 years, and he did state that opinion in a Q+AL discussion. Caroline is not lying about that. I was very shocked, when I had read that post earlier this year.


Who said it and where, geniuley would like to know, because I'm not sure if I missed that.
SweetCaroline has said Queen fans wanted Brian, Roger and John to die with Freddie. She assumed that about Queen fans as a whole. Which I still say was a wrong thing to assume, let alone post.

Oh, you didn’t miss it. You were also quite shocked to read it and said so. It was fd. I think the discussion came up in the topic about the new QAL documentary. But I could be wrong.


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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote:

I can guarantee you, that one member on QOL had posted that opinion (not mentioned John, I think). The poster took it back after other fans didn’t take well to that opinion. But yes, a well known longtime member and Queen fan is very pissed by everything Brian and Roger have done in the past 20 years, and he did state that opinion in a Q+AL discussion. Caroline is not lying about that. I was very shocked, when I had read that post earlier this year.


Who said it and where, geniuley would like to know, because I'm not sure if I missed that.
SweetCaroline has said Queen fans wanted Brian, Roger and John to die with Freddie. She assumed that about Queen fans as a whole. Which I still say was a wrong thing to assume, let alone post.

Oh, you didn’t miss it. You were also quite shocked to read it and said so. It was fd. I think the discussion came up in the topic about the new QAL documentary. But I could be wrong.


I honestly don't even remember it. Usually I would, but it's been a rough day and it's a rough night. I'll look for it tomorrow sometime.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One final note:

AKOM and The Miracle didn't even achieve Gold status upon initial release in America. Now...The Miracle did chart considerably higher than AKOM at #24 but fell off the chart in under 15 weeks(just like AKOM and Innuendo) and that is due to the fact that Album Rock Radio played IWIA quite a bit and was rebuilding Queen a bit as a "rock" act. Innuendo benefitted from this and it DID go gold upon initial release even though it only hit a chart peak of #30. So...Queen were on a mild "comeback" trajectory at the time of Freddie's death. One of the great things about Wayne's World was that it pushed Hollywood records to issue the quickly compiled Classic Queen that featured many of the ignored 80's singles and hit #4 on the Billboard charts and ultimately sold 3 million copies. That is another example of not being enthralled with the release itself but being thrilled that millions were being introduced to "undiscovered"/underrepresented Queen tracks.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PrimeJiveUSA wrote:

As a lifelong American fan, I may have a different perspective on QAL than say...a European fan that has seen Queen be commercially successful throughout their career. I remember at their nadir where it was hard to get information on a new album like AKOM or The Miracle and I learned about studio happenings and release dates primarily from the fan club newsletter. It broke my heart when their new albums were virtually ignored...when on it's release they only had a few copies in the store and the radio barely(if at all) played the lead single from it. I witnessed Freddie's death covered in the media as a mere blip. I learned that Freddie had died from a small sidebar in the daily USA TODAY newspaper. There wasn't even a real resurgence of interest in Queen in late '91 as far as radio play or media exposure so I was thrilled when a few months later when the Wayne's World movie helped reintroduce Queen to the general American audience.

Fast forward to 2005 and the QPR collaboration. The first couple of U.S. dates of the FULL tour were barely half filled. So...yes...I was very pleased when I saw reports that the first 2014 tour as QAL were very well attended. I never saw ANY incarnation of "Queen" live up to that point. I was only 13 when Queen last toured with Freddie in 1982 and they did not come to my city. Soooo....when I saw that they were coming to Nashville in August of 2017 I immediately jumped at the opportunity to see my lifelong heroes(Roger and Brian) in a live setting and was very pleased to see the arena full and the crowd enthusiastic. The same goes for the Bohemian Rhapsody movie and the subsequent sold out tour. This is MY band. My first love in music and I love seeing them being embraced with sold-out shows. I understand the "greatest hits" pre-programmed nature of the whole thing but I just love that they are prominent here.

That's because I love Queen. It's not a perfect way for Queen to go out but it is the way that it is happening and if that means that they are connecting with a new generation with this configuration then so be it. It's what we've got with Brian and Roger now in their 70's. I appreciate it for what it is.


There was barely any social media at the time of Q+PR, especially compared to now.
I got to say, Q+AL has lasted longer than I thought it ever would.
And I've never knocked anyone who went...or didn't go see these shows. I missed my chances, but that's ok, I'll live with it. But missing not having seen Freddie and Queen...that's hard, I wish I was a fan before 1992.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Icy...I know you haven't knocked Queen fans that have gone to QAL shows. I understand completely your reservations about this collaboration, though. I'm just trying to explain WHY many lifelong Queen fans, especially American, are kind of pumped about their successful tours.

It's all good as long as it remains relatively civil. You're a great Queen fan. So am I.

;)

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 04:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PrimeJiveUSA wrote:

Icy...I know you haven't knocked Queen fans that have gone to QAL shows. I understand completely your reservations about this collaboration, though. I'm just trying to explain WHY many lifelong Queen fans, especially American, are kind of pumped about their successful tours.

It's all good as long as it remains relatively civil. You're a great Queen fan. So am I.

;)


Well, I wouldn't say great, maybe stubborn is a better way to put it.
You know when Q+AL opened the Oscars this year...I truly enjoyed that, and I even surprised myself.
I appreciate anyone who can be civil. I'm not like Hitler or the Gestapo I promise.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 05:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Well, I wouldn't say great, maybe stubborn is a better way to put it."

Haha!

Understood.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 05:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And let me be clear...I'm not particularly enamored with AL's performances with QAL. BUT...it does make for an entertaining live show with the audience reactions and at this point in time that's about all we can wish for. LOVE that the shows were sold out and people are hearing and enthusiastically singing along to QUEEN songs with Brian and Roger playing and it was...in AMERICA.

It's been very satisfactory for me as an American fan. That's why I posted what I did tonight. I take the attitude of "You take what you can get."

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 05:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote:

I can guarantee you, that one member on QOL had posted that opinion (not mentioned John, I think). The poster took it back after other fans didn’t take well to that opinion. But yes, a well known longtime member and Queen fan is very pissed by everything Brian and Roger have done in the past 20 years, and he did state that opinion in a Q+AL discussion. Caroline is not lying about that. I was very shocked, when I had read that post earlier this year.


Who said it and where, geniuley would like to know, because I'm not sure if I missed that.
SweetCaroline has said Queen fans wanted Brian, Roger and John to die with Freddie. She assumed that about Queen fans as a whole. Which I still say was a wrong thing to assume, let alone post.

Oh, you didn’t miss it. You were also quite shocked to read it and said so. It was fd. I think the discussion came up in the topic about the new QAL documentary. But I could be wrong.


Quoting you again..yea I called him an asshole and gave him an angry sad emoji in my post.
I might get hated for this, but below that there was a wink also. I got the feeling he was being sarcastic, he is at times.
My father died about a week after that, the point being I could have been very upset with his post, but I didn't appear to be.
Trying to clarify myself here.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 07:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What a horrible thread from people who I've only ever insult people about not being a "true" Queen fan. Does it fucking matter?

There are thousands of bloody comments on here that are full of abuse to people that are innocent. But you guys simply piss her off because you'll know she just produce a response. And, if you see a point that she makes that you really like, you'll make a big thing out of it because you want to be seen in the right not the wrong.

If you guys simply didn't produce a single comment towards her then there would be none of "I hate you", "what a dickhead" or "not a true Queen fan". To me if you're responding to everything she says, like what other people I've already mentioned in this thread, get a life.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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What a horrible thread from people who I've only ever insult people about not being a "true" Queen fan. Does it fucking matter?

There are thousands of bloody comments on here that are full of abuse to people that are innocent. But you guys simply piss her off because you'll know she just produce a response. And, if you see a point that she makes that you really like, you'll make a big thing out of it because you want to be seen in the right not the wrong.

If you guys simply didn't produce a single comment towards her then there would be none of "I hate you", "what a dickhead" or "not a true Queen fan". To me if you're responding to everything she says, like what other people I've already mentioned in this thread, get a life.


Yes, it matters when one is posting on a Queen board. But barely ever posts about Freddie and Queen history. She said more about Freddie wearing short shorts, because somehow that bothers her, that's the most she has ever posted about him.
Who is innocent here? The one that said I'm like Hitler and the Gestapo? The one who had a go at me while my father was dying? The one who said Queen fans wanted Brian Roger and John to die with Freddie? If you think that's innocent...it's not.
Nah, bullshit she wouldn't have anything to say then. What about her comments that she came here blaming me for her own wrong doings? Four, five times now.
She is the one who claims innocence, and it's bullshit. She can't own or even explain most of the crap she has said. If she did that, things just might be different.


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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 08:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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What a horrible thread from people who I've only ever insult people about not being a "true" Queen fan. Does it fucking matter?

There are thousands of bloody comments on here that are full of abuse to people that are innocent. But you guys simply piss her off because you'll know she just produce a response. And, if you see a point that she makes that you really like, you'll make a big thing out of it because you want to be seen in the right not the wrong.

If you guys simply didn't produce a single comment towards her then there would be none of "I hate you", "what a dickhead" or "not a true Queen fan". To me if you're responding to everything she says, like what other people I've already mentioned in this thread, get a life.


^100% agree.


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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 08:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

She just can't quit, but she blames everyone else. I think if you would count the words Caroline has posted and then count all the words Icy has posted, it would be a million to one.
Since most are attacking someone, mostly Caroline or other Adam fans, we can see who is the biggest offender around here.

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Posted: 21 Oct 19, 08:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

She just can't quit, but she blames everyone else. I think if you would count the words Caroline has posted and then count all the words Icy has posted, it would be a million to one.
Since most are attacking someone, mostly Caroline or other Adam fans, we can see who is the biggest offender around here.


In you swoop again to defend and try to deflect . Who would have thought.
Who blames everyone else?
Yea, SweetCaroline aka CNB with her blank posts, endless links and glowing tweets, and articles right? Because some of us know she can't think much for herself. At least I can think for myself.
Where have I attacked any other AL fans lately?
As for SweetCaroline I have never sank so low about her the way she has with me. She hates me, she has said in her own words. I don't even hate her, I've never said that to her or about her, let alone comparing her to criminals, a fuck up like Hitler and what he has done to millions, what the gestapo did to millions. If nothing else, AL's background really should have crossed her mind before she spouted that shit comparing me to them. Just because she didn't like what I was posting, and couldn't get her own way, it's what she does time and time again. Lash out, and never be sorry for any of it, let alone to even offer an apology...if she did, things probably wouldn't be so heated. I admit I've been harsh to her, but nor do I hate her. She and I see things differently, that's obvious, but it's as if nothing but glowing praise is ever good enough for her regarding AL.
Things aren't so black and white.