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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 05:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That shoe sized IQ just made me day! I will have to store that one away!!

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 12:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie.

Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans.

Don't believe everything you read.

ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time.


Back when Queen were touring with Freddie it was rare for tours to be profitable...for most artists. Bands like the Stones were an exception and they were able to charge much higher than their peers in the 70's 80's and beyond. Back then, the purpose of the tours was to sell albums. A tour was just as expensive(adjusted for inflation) as it is now but tickets were also MUCH cheaper(even taking inflation into account). I've read many books about the music industry in the 70's and 80's and it was rare for artists to make a profit from concerts...their purpose was PROMOTIONAL as the money was in RECORD SALES back then.

Nowadays the exact opposite is true.



While the primary intent of Queen tours was to support album releases, that doesn't equate to tours not also making a profit. Unless you have access to the contracts, financial statements etc, and you also know what tricks accountants can pull to hide profits, then you really aren't in a position to take Queen's statements about non-profitable tours at face value.

Re: Rolling Stones, despite numerous tours and hit records the Stones were broke in 1969. So they changed their business model for their 1969 US tour. They started making money not because of higher ticket prices (general sale ticket prices were equivalent to other contemporary rock bands, although they were one of the first to start charging higher prices for VIP seats) but because they insisted in getting a higher fee from promoters, to be paid up front.

Not all bands toured to promote records: after Woodstock the band Ten Years After did 27 American tours in just 7 years. During that time they only released five albums. They toured not just to promote albums but because there was huge demand for their live shows. Hendrix was the same: after Monterey he was asking $50,000 per appearance, regardless of whether he was promoting a record release. It was possible to make money from touring, from record release, from merchandising etc. It's not necessarily one or the other.


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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 14:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Holly2003 wrote:

PrimeJiveUSA wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie.

Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans.

Don't believe everything you read.

ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time.


Back when Queen were touring with Freddie it was rare for tours to be profitable...for most artists. Bands like the Stones were an exception and they were able to charge much higher than their peers in the 70's 80's and beyond. Back then, the purpose of the tours was to sell albums. A tour was just as expensive(adjusted for inflation) as it is now but tickets were also MUCH cheaper(even taking inflation into account). I've read many books about the music industry in the 70's and 80's and it was rare for artists to make a profit from concerts...their purpose was PROMOTIONAL as the money was in RECORD SALES back then.

Nowadays the exact opposite is true.



While the primary intent of Queen tours was to support album releases, that doesn't equate to tours not also making a profit. Unless you have access to the contracts, financial statements etc, and you also know what tricks accountants can pull to hide profits, then you really aren't in a position to take Queen's statements about non-profitable tours at face value.

Re: Rolling Stones, despite numerous tours and hit records the Stones were broke in 1969. So they changed their business model for their 1969 US tour. They started making money not because of higher ticket prices (general sale ticket prices were equivalent to other contemporary rock bands, although they were one of the first to start charging higher prices for VIP seats) but because they insisted in getting a higher fee from promoters, to be paid up front.

Not all bands toured to promote records: after Woodstock the band Ten Years After did 27 American tours in just 7 years. During that time they only released five albums. They toured not just to promote albums but because there was huge demand for their live shows. Hendrix was the same: after Monterey he was asking $50,000 per appearance, regardless of whether he was promoting a record release. It was possible to make money from touring, from record release, from merchandising etc. It's not necessarily one or the other.


I stand corrected.

A very informative post!



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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 15:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You're not wrong mate. It's just a bit more nuanced than the official Queen position would have us believe.


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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 18:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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So I guess they are not all that greedy when it comes to ticket prices and such!! There appear to be a lot more greedy folks out there! Foiled again, Runner, spouting all that fake news just because you don't like them. You also have to take into account the quality of the concert with all their terrific lights and videos and sound system. Brian said they were using the most advanced light system there was and I believe it, because it was amazing. You don't get a bare bones show like with some artists. You get your money's worth when you see QAL as they do it up to the nines! It is a feast for both the eyes and the ears, truly! I haven't seen anyone complain about ticket prices except on here. Most of the folks feels they got their money's worth and for me, it was more than my money's worth. Their shows are the best I have ever seen in every way.




Your postings are getting sillier each day and you don't even notice - it is fucking hilarious.
When I say QAL are crap and do not sell tickets (especially for the O2 shows in London) you come up with you usual "They are selling out stadiums everywhere". When it comes to them being greedy you use the argument "you see that do not sell so many tickets after all so they are not money hungry ".

DO you notice something ? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid?

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 20:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Listen you cretin, you pick the only shows that are not really full yet. Every tour so far has been fairly close to sold out or sold out for all practical purposes. The US tour was sold out, this time around Korea is sold out, as is Japan and Australia. Europe I don't know, but I read somewhere there were not many seats left even in Germany. The first 5 shows in the UK are pretty much sold out, so you can't pick the outlier which is what you always do. It is 5 MOS OUT and I am sure they will be full when we get there. As to the second part, I have no clue what that even means. I don't see that in my post. You are the idiot always trying to outdo everyone with your asinine statements and faulty logic and your misguided opinions. You are an absolute joke on here and I wouldn't be proud of it, if I were you. You are the nastiest piece of work I have ever had the misfortune to find on a forum. Now aren't you proud of yourself? That is probably all you have to be proud about in your sick little world. Stupid is what you are and crude, nasty, bigoted and an absolute dickwad. Hopefully, you get the message! So, DO you notice something? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid???

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 20:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Listen you cretin, you pick the only shows that are not really full yet. Every tour so far has been fairly close to sold out or sold out for all practical purposes. The US tour was sold out, this time around Korea is sold out, as is Japan and Australia. Europe I don't know, but I read somewhere there were not many seats left even in Germany. The first 5 shows in the UK are pretty much sold out, so you can't pick the outlier which is what you always do. It is 5 MOS OUT and I am sure they will be full when we get there. As to the second part, I have no clue what that even means. I don't see that in my post. You are the idiot always trying to outdo everyone with your asinine statements and faulty logic and your misguided opinions. You are an absolute joke on here and I wouldn't be proud of it, if I were you. You are the nastiest piece of work I have ever had the misfortune to find on a forum. Now aren't you proud of yourself? That is probably all you have to be proud about in your sick little world. Stupid is what you are and crude, nasty, bigoted and an absolute dickwad. Hopefully, you get the message! So, DO you notice something? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid???


You are even too stupid to get your own contradictions you assclown. Once you say they sell out anything and everything. When it comes to being money hungry your argument is that they did not sell too many tickets according to the link and so they are not money hungry. Get it now ? Or need more explanation stupid whacko? You shouldn't smoke too much weed or crack

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 21:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I didn't have any link and I have no clue what you are babbling on about. That makes no sense and you are the stupid person, because only stupid people behave as you do. If you have a weed or crack problem, not my issue. Maybe that is why your ramblings are always so crazy. Now I understand as no normal person would behave like you, you obviously are a crackhead!! What great logic you have! How anyone can be so ugly 24/7 just boggles my mine. You must be a real charmer in your real life, but I bet you don't have one, as leopards don't change their spots!

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 21:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@ snifflese...ironically enough it was you who has said more than once that you would prefer it if people stated how they really feel about AL and Q+AL, without a bone or two being thrown.
Thing is ,Runner is extreme and honest about how he feels, and no I don't agree with a few things he says, actually alot of it. But he is honest about his feelings which is what you wanted. You cant have it both ways. I could not imagine posting that some posters are a c**t, but then again, I couldn't imagine comparing a person to Hitler and the and the Gestapo either...you have no problem with the latter. I'd rather be called a c**t any day. I might just get called a c**t or compared to Hitler and the Gestapo after this post.


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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 22:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt.

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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 22:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is so sad they have spent 10 years being a GH jukebox.

No dear Brian, Freddie would not be proud, just too bored.

Tell old Fred to tour his old hits for that long. No more albums, no more songs, just new expensive lights and shinny jackets.

They got a great new singer and they just waste their energy.

You know what Brian? Cosmos Rocks is a perfect master piece compared to your Queen + Adam Lambert albums.
Your zero new songs can not equal the bunch of tracks you wrote and recorded with Paul.

By the way Brian, no problem if you spend another 10 years playing hits and selling watches.
You guys can not be less fresh and creative than you already are.


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Posted: 23 Jan 20, 22:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt.


One can be honest without comparing me to Hitler and the Gestapo.
Runner is honest about how he feels, hey you got what you wanted. You sure didn't like it even when I said good things about AL about Q+AL, your own words you thought that was throwing a bone or two.
You are one of the biggest complainers here about Runner...yet, you have nothing to say about what SweetCaroline does, except you always defend what she does, no questions asked, or even a thought. You actullay have said you are surprised she doesn't say worse about me in particular, as if what she has done isn't that bad. Comparing me to the people she has compared me with is much worse than saying the c**t word. Yes, really. If you are going to call Runner out, make sure you call your buddy SweetCaroline out too. We all know you won't call SweetCaroline out because "Glambert code".
Sorry, you are coming across as a major hypocrite here. You can't have it both ways. You want people to be honest, and some of us are, but I guess that doesn't matter unless it's praise. You were even insulted I said AL was good at the recent Avicii tribute concert...not good enough for you. Did you read Runner having a go at me for that, big tip, he hasn't, but you did. Nothing is good enough for you and SweetCaroline unless it's all praise, all the time for and about AL. Yes, Runner has extreme views, at least he hasn't compared me or anyone else here to Hitler and the Gestapo.

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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 01:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Runner might be honest about his feelings, but his arguments are dishonest. His frequently repetitive mantra is full of hyperbolic personal attacks that stop just short of threatening violence. He does not care if he is being reasonable with his comments, he only wants to WIN by any means regardless of fairness to other posters.


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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 01:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Icy, I am not being a hypocrite. I don't want to get into a big fight with you again, so I will merely say that you bring out the worst in Caroline. She never says things like that to anyone else. You are always on her criticizing and goading her. You can be perfectly pleasant with others and I do appreciate that and some of your kind words to me, but you don't act like that with her. We will just leave it there. Runner is nice to no one and his language and how he says things is not appropriate. I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!

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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 01:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt.


Speak for yourself, and maybe SweetCaroline.



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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 01:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

CM wrote:

It is so sad they have spent 10 years being a GH jukebox.

No dear Brian, Freddie would not be proud, just too bored.

Tell old Fred to tour his old hits for that long. No more albums, no more songs, just new expensive lights and shinny jackets.

They got a great new singer and they just waste their energy.

You know what Brian? Cosmos Rocks is a perfect master piece compared to your Queen + Adam Lambert albums.
Your zero new songs can not equal the bunch of tracks you wrote and recorded with Paul.

By the way Brian, no problem if you spend another 10 years playing hits and selling watches.
You guys can not be less fresh and creative than you already are.


Good post.



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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 02:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!


Yes she has some spunk now ... which might not be a bad thing for a c*nt.

www.thefreedictionary.com/spunk




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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 02:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Icy, I am not being a hypocrite. I don't want to get into a big fight with you again, so I will merely say that you bring out the worst in Caroline. She never says things like that to anyone else. You are always on her criticizing and goading her. You can be perfectly pleasant with others and I do appreciate that and some of your kind words to me, but you don't act like that with her. We will just leave it there. Runner is nice to no one and his language and how he says things is not appropriate. I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!


You are a hypocrite and that's being mild.
No SweetCaroline doesn't say the things she does about me to anyone else, not even the one pister who said about killing herself or dying. She hates me, because she can't get her own way, and has lied about me countless times through the years, going back as far as 2014 here. She said herself she hates me and has no empathy for me. She will never be sorry because she feels and states she's never wrong, which is bullcrap. She has been wrong, more than any other AL fan or Glambert I've come across, and you lap it up and have nothing to say about what she does, but you say it's fine, and not as bad.
Actually, tell you what. Runner has been kind when my father was dying. He didn't use that as a way to try to point score. SweetCaroline did that and more.
Today I made the choice to post, in spite of how I'm feeling. Longer posts such as this one take longer to do, but I hope to be feeling better soon. You and SweetCaroline might think I'm the biggest bitch of all, but I wouldn't wish illness on anyone.

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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 02:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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snifflese wrote:

I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!


Yes she has some spunk now ... which might not be a bad thing for a c*nt.

www.thefreedictionary.com/spunk



Ow, it hurts to laugh, damn it, but lol.

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Posted: 24 Jan 20, 02:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Icy, your arguments are with Caroline and I don't want to get into that. Maybe we could just try to get along and just ignore the rest of it. How you get along with her has nothing to do with me and I choose not to comment about it anymore. I don't wish to argue with you either. I am so sorry that you are feeling so poorly, but glad that got a laugh out of you. If you can laugh, it can't all be bad! Take care and I hope you start getting better quickly!!